Palin Declares "Class War" Against Kennedy, Couric, and Fey

whining whiners and the whiners who interview them!!!

I loved this bad attempt at a spin:

Ziegler showed Palin a clip of Fey saying, "I believe marriage is meant to be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers." Her reaction: "Cool, fine, come attack me, but when you make a suggestion like that that attacks a kid, that kills me."

Ummm... Fey's comment (as Palin) ONLY reflects and "attacks" the parents of said kids who "believe" teen parents should have to marry. Not the kids. Nice try Whiny Sarah... but that, and your attack of Katie Couric for asking you softball questions (or what SHOULD have been softball questions for ANY OTHER VP or PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE), are too little... too late.

The Alaska governor was particularly upset with an "SNL" skit during which Fey-as-Palin said, "I believe marriage is meant to be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers."

SNL got below the belt with this one.

Beside the fact that Fey was targeting the Palins with that comment, if Bristol is grown enough to be having sex and having babies, maybe she shouldn't be referred to by her mother as a "kid," and maybe she is old enough to be targeted by comic and political pundits alike (much as Todd is fair game).

Yes and keep in mind Palin put her daughter on public display what did she think was going to happen?  Com'on she knows what the media can and will do.  If she had Bristol's best interest in mind she would have not paraded her across the stage but her own desire to further her career was more important to her.  This poor girl did not choose to be in the public lime light more than likely being 17 she was embarressed about her situation and did not want the attention that her mother's choice brought about. 

Linda---don't all politicians "parade" their kids out in those big political moments? Gosh--I sure know the obamas did. Her NOT being on stage would have raised more questions than her being there, right?

difference being, Palin paraded her children at EVERY political moment, not just the big ones.  She used them as props.  Of course, that is just my opinion.  You are welcome to yours also.

lisaed yes other politicans do parade their children out that is normal and to be expected my comments were meant if she did not want criticism in regards to Bristol pregancy maybe this was not the time to go into national politics.   Momma grizzly put her girl in harms way.  She knows better being the governor of a state and being invovled in a scandel at the present time called Troopergate she knew how the media could fixate on things & if she didn't well she just in not in the real world.

Obviously Sarah, like Bush, does not read newspapers.  Carolyn does 'you know' pause a bit much, and really does not have the background for the seat for high political office.  But then Carolyn was not intending to be a hearbeat away from the presidency. 

People in New York think the name will get her the seat, but Many are not happy.  Talked to my niece who lives in Rochester.

Carolyn does not attempt to insult her state with "you betcha" gol durn" and the rest of Sarah's nonsense.

Wasn't it Sarah who accepted a gig on SNL, and now she complains about it?  duh

Drags her kids all over the nation, then complains.  Brings Tripp's daddy to march across the stage with Bristol at the convention, then whines.

Speaks and acts like a cartoon character with her golly gees and such, then moans about Obama talking about lipstick on a pig.

This is just a taste of what would have been forthcoming had McCain/Pain ticket taken the vote, and she probably would have collected per diem and run the VP office from Willow, cause her kids probably would not like DC, any more   then they liked Juneau 

Whiny, whiny, whiny.

Don't forget about when she took her kids out on the ice during that hockey game, and when the crowd boo'ed her, she accused them of booing at her kids. She hides behind her children, and that is partly why she is a national joke and a failed VP candidate from a joke of a campaign.

I specifically remember, during the campaign, Obama making comments about leaving his wife out of ugly comments that were being made...I guess there was a double standard.

I never heard the media talking much about the Palin family.  She is just playing the victim thing.

She used them as props.

I would have said shields. 

Not really,

The media has had many writings about Michelle, what she has done as a lawyer how she dresses, even her booty...When the media can't find good criticism they tend to move on for Bigger prey... and so they did with Palin and the bag of idiot remarks $$$$

Obamas little children definitely should be kept out of it, just as Palin little kids have, it's not attack the candidates children to see if you can make them cry.

After all do you remember when all the media just soaked up Palin's little one with her little brother when she spat on her hand and wiped her brothers hair? What was their name? It doesn't matter....Yeah that wasn't mean.  It's towards HER remarks, if she doesn't like it she shouldn't be a politician. She uses her children all the time in her QUEST... makes me puke.

I wish we could banish the phrase "heartbeat away from the presidency".  Too many people using it are merely regurgitating what they have read from some columnist or blogger - rarely does their post contain anything but cliches and repeated  rumors / statements they have learned from their media indoctrination.

Palin declares LOW class warfare on........ should have been the title. We all know Palin is just a tiny step around trailer trash. Please forgive me Joy and earl. You certainly don't deserve Palin among your ranks!

lisaed,

"don't all politicians "parade" their kids out in those big political moments? Gosh--I sure know the obamas did."

Parading during the CHILD'S private times is appauling. Bristol didn't deserve to be forced into the spotlight druing HER MOTHER'S quest for power & fame.

santame:

"Carolyn does 'you know' pause a bit much, and really does not have the background for the seat for high political office.

It's CAROLINE, not CAROLYN. You can't claim to know her background, if you don't even know her name.

Palin is right in a way......she isn't in the same class as Kennedy, Couric or Fey. She couldn't measure up to these women, so she attempts to grab them by the hi-heels and pull them down.

Won't work...she's just an ankle biter. She's NO PIT Bull, PIT Bills don't whine!

Sherrietr

I specifically remember, during the campaign, Obama making comments about leaving his wife out of ugly comments that were being made...I guess there was a double standard.

Not really.

As you might recall, Obama clearly said that Palin's family was off limits.

Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

"How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/index.html

Just as Palin can't be blamed at any potshots her supporters took at Obama's wife, he can't be blamed for any that were taken at Palin's family.  (I do not recall, however, Palin ever releasing a statement declaring Michelle and the girls off limits, if anybody has a link, I'd appreciate it.)

Rainkiss: Thanks for the link, that was very respectful of Obama, furthermore,

my comment was not meant to compare Obama to Palin, it was in criticism of the media. My point was they were (for the most part) respectful of Obama's family and were not of Palin. They were quick to tear her up for her daughter being pregnant and unmarried. Do you honestly believe the media would not have attacked Palin had she made "blackie" comments, or about for the first time being proud of her country?

Finally...for all those making comments that Palin could or should have somehow prevented her daughters pregnancy...how judgemental. Through experience I can say that people should be careful about the statements they make about other people...after all, unless your children are sterile...it can happen to you.

Sherriter:

I specifically remember, during the campaign, Obama making comments about leaving his wife out of ugly comments that were being made...I guess there was a double standard.

It's all in how she's handling it. While I agree that some of the shots at Palin's family have been unfair, she is ridiculously unskilled at tactfully responding. She has a rude and snobbish tone about her.

Palin's response to the media:

I know that a lot of people are capitalizing on, oh, I don't know, perhaps some exploiting that was done via me, my family, my administration - that's a little bit perplexing, but it also says a great deal about our society

Obama's response to the media:

I mean, I, I do think that there is a -- there is a Republican or rightwing -- media outlet-- set of media outlets that went after my wife for a while in a way that I thought was just completely out of bounds

See the difference in tone? Palin blames the problem on "society" and says that people are "capitalizing" on it. She's just so obtuse.

My point was they were (for the most part) respectful of Obama's family and were not of Palin

They were not, you just forgot because Palin's was all crunched into 2 months, whereas Obama's was spread out over months and months. People of the media were calling Michelle "unpatriotic" for months because of something she said. How is that fair?

You may have a point...but for Palin it's still going on, how fair is that? It's not fair either way, it should just stop, but as you can read on this thread people are encouraging and participating in this behavior.

The Alaska governor was particularly upset with an "SNL" skit during which Fey-as-Palin said, "I believe marriage is meant to be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers."

SNL got below the belt with this one.

Sure didn't stop her from appearing on SNL...

Suddenly she's granting interviews? She can blame Couric all she wants for appearing dimwitted, but Katie didn't put those words in her mouth.  Seems to me she's trying to extend those 15 minutes of fame.

Sarah, you can't claim a class war if you have none to begin with.

It's still going on for Obama and his wife as well. The vitriol over on Fox News about the new presidential limo, the comments about Michelle's dress at Obama's victory speech after the election... it's quite vile.

And so it will continue to go on -- for anyone who places themself in the national spotlight. Palin needs to remain relevant if she wants to make another run at the presidency. To remain relevant, she must remain in the news. As long as she remains in the news, there will be naysayers and supporters. She said some very polarizing things during the election seasons -- i.e., "real Americans" -- she will be loved and lambasted in nearly equal measure so long as she continues to place herself in the political arena. It's the nature of the beast.

Here's the problem...  How much of the muck being raked is actually the MEDIA?  We may rip into Palin and/or Obama, here, but this isn't the media.  People get a LOT of their "news" these days from blogs, "opinion" shows that thinly disguse themselves as news shows, and such.  Dosn't matter that SNL was rough on Palin, they're not news.  Doesn't matter that we're rough on them, we're not the media, either.

Actual, legitimate news shows (so far as I know) didn't go after Palin's family.  Fox sure as heck ripped on Michelle Obama.  (Called her Obama's "Baby Momma," etc.), but the rest of the media also kept off of the Obama family.

Discofish, I agree that the phrase "one heartbeat away from the Presidency" has been used to death. So let's actually use the word DEATH, shall we? If the President DIES, the Vice Presidential candidate immediately assumes office. No time for tutoring, studying, or preparing: he or she is the head of state immediately, and usually at a time of great crisis.

Now, what are the actuarial odds of John McCain's living another four or eight years? I certainly hope he does, but for a man his age, with a history of physical and psychological trauma in Viet Nam AND a history of melanoma, the statistics aren't great. When a man his age and in his physical condition seeks the Presidency, he'd better be absolutely serious about someone who's qualified to become President on a moment's notice if necessary -- if he really puts "country first," that is. Is that why he chose Palin, or did he pick her because she was photogenic, charming, and (he thought) would win over some of Hillary Clinton's disappointed female voters? As for Palin, did she put "country first" when she accepted that invitation "without blinking," let alone seriously doing some soul-searching about whether she was qualified for the job? I think not.

P.S. -- Re Tina Fey and her line about marriage being a "sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers," Sarah Palin must have had a bit of a delayed reaction to the offensive content of that one, because she accepted an invitation to go on SNL AFTER that sketch. Either a) it took her several weeks to figure out what the line meant, or b) she's retroactively claiming to be outraged by something that didn't bother her at the time, because it gives her an excuse to claim that her family was victimized. Neither of those possibilities make Sarah look good.

Lisaed 1.5 - I don't recall Obama parading his kids around.  As a matter of fact, I do believe they stayed in school during the campaigning season - and Michelle was home every night to be with them - and even Obama made sure he was home on the weekends to be with his kids.  Just because they came out on stage at the convention and then again on election night, that's not parading them.

Sherrietr unless your children are sterile...it can happen to you

Ummm, it's called birth control.  They even have one where it lasts 5 years - long enough to get your daughter through college without a pregnancy.

Slightly off topic, but related:

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/647229.html

Apparently, the birth rate among teens in Alaska has shot through the roof.

The Alaska birthrate among women ages 15-19 in 2006 was 44.3 per 1,000 teens, up 19 percent from 2005.

A few more Alaska baby statistics:

• The birth rate for Alaska females aged 15-17 was 19.2 per 1,000. The rate for those ages 18 and 19 was 92.7 per 1,000. The comparable national averages were 22 and 73.

• The average age of a Alaskan mother giving birth to her first child was 24.3 years in 2006. That compares with a U.S. average of 25 years old.

• The state had 10,996 births in 2006. Only North Dakota, Wyoming and Vermont mothers gave birth to fewer babies. In 4,047 of the births the mother was not married.

• 81.1 percent of Alaskan mothers began their prenatal care during the first trimester of their pregnancy, compared with 83 percent nationally.

• 23 percent of Alaska births were by cesarean delivery, with only Idaho and Utah having a lower cesarean rate. The U.S. average was 31 percent.

• 6 percent of Alaska babies had a low birth weight, the smallest percentage in the country. Low birth weight is considered less than 5 pounds 8 ounces.

Something has gone VERY wrong up there.

Sarah is correct, it is Class Warfare.

People with Class against Alaskan Governors with NO class.

Well as I see it, Kennedy may get a position because she has more class.  Did McCain not gain priveledges based on his dad? 

Couric, dared to ask her questions and she had great answers but Couric altered them so we only heard what made her sound inept.  How dare Couric make her admit she does not read when it was already clear to most of us that she does not.

Fey, had the gall to poke fun on her on a satire show.  That's why she did the show so she could make a fool of herself!  It worked and she never had to act!

But it does not stop there!

The three got together bought the turkey she pardon before she used its death as her backdrop in Alaska. 

The media was against her.(I am still waiting for somebody to give me examples of how the media treated her poorly)  That said, it is not the medias job to be nice to Palin.  I am sure winking her eyes works for her in Alaska, but it takes more in the real world (outside of Alaska).

The media placed her under investigation.

You know what? I can't go on.  Palin exit stage left and we promise never to mention you again.

lisaed,

Coach Maxx-1.17--Sarah consulted with Bristol about her candidacy before accepting it from Senator McCain

Do you have a link for that? It's something I've been curious about.

M.WHITE BEAR

Thank you for #1.37.  It explains much as I too have noticed how some folks throw around lies and if you ask them to provide relevance they never do!  Your comment explains it well.

As for Palin,

If she really wants to be left alone, all she needs do is stop talking.  It would not be difficult for America to forget her.  I had forgotten about her until this came up.  She is in the right environment for her.  Just a wink of an eye and a small population where women want to see a female in power and men want eye candy will accept the emptiness between her ears.

If she really wants to be left alone, all she needs to do is stop talking.

That is why I would describe this as "Classless Warfare", Sarah thinks that saying anything is better than saying nothing at all. Foolish people rarely think they are being foolish even when it is pointed out to them time and time again.

Darn that media, getting their news from bloggers, HA HA HA.

bduboftexas: As for the b.c. argument..some people have really bad side effects, furthermore, nothing is 100%.

JEN-357892

M.WHITE BEAR

Thank you for #1.37.  It explains much as I too have noticed how some folks throw around lies and if you ask them to provide relevance they never do!  Your comment explains it well.

As for Palin,

If she really wants to be left alone, all she needs do is stop talking.  It would not be difficult for America to forget her.  I had forgotten about her until this came up.  She is in the right environment for her.  Just a wink of an eye and a small population where women want to see a female in power and men want eye candy will accept the emptiness between her ears.

Hi Jen, neocons like lisaed follow the Karl Rove school of thought. Which is directly out of the Adolph Hitler playbook. Tell a lie over and over and the weak minded will eventually believe it. They can not tell you facts, because in most cases, there is no fact, just propaganda. This is exactly what happened to the Jews and others, by fooling the people that 'those people' were ruining the country (Germany). After years of this baloney, look what happened. And all the Germans believed it, after all everyone was saying the same thing, so it MUST be true.

The TRUTH be damned, just keep telling the lies.

Michael White Bear

Excellent statement, MWB, EXCELLENT!

lisaed said

Linda 1.7---that's a terribly sexist position to take about Sarah and her family.

How is what she said even REMOTELY sexist?

Palin basically admitted she was hiding behind Piper at the Flyers game, that she used her 7 year-old child as a shield. As reported on the Fixed-News website:

"The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!” "

The woman is shameless.

Palin is right in a way......she isn't in the same class as Kennedy, Couric or Fey. She couldn't measure up to these women, so she attempts to grab them by the hi-heels and pull them down.

Couldn't agree more. They have class and Palin has no real idea of what class is.

M. WHITE BEAR:  CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP... Good one!   Might have to use that one! 

I think this is just Pity Palins way of stayin on the scene and making sure we all know shes right there for 2012.  Why does anyone give her a platform anymore???

JEN-357892

Excellent statement, MWB, EXCELLENT!

Thank you,  :)

Oh, I'm sure you're right. It must have gone something like this:

"Bristol, Mommy wants to run for Vice President of the United States.  So, you don't mind if Mommy tells the entire world that you are no longer a virgin because you had unprotected, pre-marital, sexual intercourse with the school jock, and are carrying his illegitimate child in your 17 year old, under aged body....do you sweetie?"

the above comment #1.47 is for LISAED

 Hate to say it but Palin really needs to learn when to just shut up. Her 15 minutes has come and gone. She claims she has a chance in 2012 but she keeps shooting herself in the foot. It's not even fun for me anymore to put her down because of her idiot mistakes (good God there so many).

 Oh well can't teach the brain dead.

This "victim" publicity parade is old as well.

Poor Sarah Palin is sooooo persecuted. Her family, her daughter is the only "child" exploited by the press.

Anyone remember Rush Limbaugh calling Chelsea Clinton the family dog when she was only 13....BTW that is a child..... Not a 17 year old.

And what about making exceptions for her future son in law, by getting him an "apprenticeship" (job). Was this a dowry???

So are you saying that no one IN office should be allowed to RUN for office?  I might not have a problem with that actually, but we've just never done it that way in this country before.

I'm reasonably confident that if Palin HAD a name she'd sure as hell have traded on it!

Re Palin's consultation with her family about accepting the nomination, she did say she'd discussed it with them, but she also gave several conflicting and mutually contradictory statements about how and when they'd discussed it.

Re the rates of premarital pregnancy in Alaska, give the kids a break. It's very cold up there, the nights are long, and there isn't much to do. And the neighborhood pharmacy might not carry condoms, if the born-again type dominate local politics.

David Jewell

So are you saying that no one IN office should be allowed to RUN for office?

I'm saying she went AWOL to further her career on taxpayer time. That's self-serving and arrogant.

I might not have a problem with that actually, but we've just never done it that way in this country before.

That's because members of Congress aren't accountable to anyone, so they can do whatever they please.

So you'd find the same fault with McCain, right?  Palin also left her Governorship to run. And we can't leave Obama out either.

You wanna change the rules for everybody?  I can't see that H. Clinton did anything unusual in that regard.

ricklace,

regarding your comment below,

Are you also speaking about Palin as well, being AWOL as GOVERNOR while running for Vice President...and being "selfserving and arrogant"?

 saying she went AWOL to further her career on taxpayer time. That's self-serving and arrogant.

Like Fine Wine

Are you also speaking about Palin as well, being AWOL as GOVERNOR while running for Vice President...and being "selfserving and arrogant"?

That's up to the electorate in Alaska to judge. I live in New York.

At least Sarah Palin didn't carpetbag her way into office as a springboard for her own career.

You wanna change the rules for everybody?

It's not up to me, but I would like to see this nonsense stop. For everyone.

get real, your post #1.57 does seperate Clinton out as a "special case" when if fact she is not. Clinton/Palin do what they all do: set up their lives in order to springboard to the next rung in the ladder.

Sorry, Palin is a party player, just like Clinton.

Like Fine Wine

Sorry, Palin is a party player, just like Clinton.

Perhaps you missed the observation about carpetbagging. Unlike Palin, Clinton was a schemer from the git-go who used my state for her self-serving purposes.

You really need to get a clue. McCain almost destroyed a ship and while a prisoner he did not Honor the Code. The information he gave the enemy cost several more lives. Blow smoke somewhere else because your comment is an insult to the rest of us Vets.

DragonWoman

This "victim" publicity parade is old as well.

Poor Sarah Palin is sooooo persecuted. Her family, her daughter is the only "child" exploited by the press.

Anyone remember Rush Limbaugh calling Chelsea Clinton the family dog when she was only 13....BTW that is a child..... Not a 17 year old.

And what about making exceptions for her future son in law, by getting him an "apprenticeship" (job). Was this a dowry???

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That fat P.O.S. said that ??  Typical

Brian-657672

McCain gave up the privilege that his dad could of brought him, and got him out of the prisoner of war camp, but he stayed in honor of the " Code of a Soldier ".

We all need to stop patronizing the liberal media sources including SNL.  What they did in the last election cycle is flex their power and were unfair.  All Americans want fairness.

These sources put a target on Palins back, and her kids, but wouldn't even comment on the WIFE of their appointed candidate.  How pathetic.  America has a lot to loose in the long run if this continues.  Turn off your idiot box ( T.V. ).

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Palin put the target on her own back with her STUPID mouth.

Your comment about Michelle Obama is dispicable and so typical from the LOSING SIDE. Family has always been off the ATTACK screen, except by the Right Wing Wackos.

Unlike Palin, Clinton was a schemer from the git-go who used my state for her self-serving purposes.

I'll bet if you liked Clinton her 'carpet-bagging' wouldn't have been a problem for you.

Re McCain: No, he definitely did NOT abide by the code of honor; he signed a bogus confession, and gave information, earning himself the nickname "songbird" with his fellow POW's. That's why he didn't like to talk about his experience in prison until Karl Rove's disciples convinced him that it was the best way to establish his "brand" with the voters. But it's not fair to say that he was responsible for the fire on the Forrestall. It's pretty clearly established that whatever caused the accident, his plane was nowhere near the start of the disastrous chain of events. He did, however, do nothing to help fight the fire, after escaping from his own plane, and a couple of days later, he left the ship with the journalists who had arrived to cover the story. While his fellow Navy men were repairing the damage, he was having some "R & R." The all-American mythology that he and Palin created around themselves doesn't stand up to close examination for a moment.

sherrietr 1.4 - you're right, not all people can handle the shunts or the pills or even an IUD - and of course, nothing is 100% (my husband was conceived on an IUD and they're supposedly the most effective - and he gets great radio reception in his teeth...) but I doubt that they even tried anything.  Kids today need to know its not just about preventing births either - but preventing diseases and death.  If I had my way, my daughter would have been on BC from 14 on.  However, she is concerned about the side effects (at 17 - mostly the weight gain) and so we've gone round and round about it.  But she swears she isn't active (yeah, maybe..) and if she decides to be so - then she'll come to me for protection.  We've talked about birth control and potential diseases since she first learned where babies come from.  She is really open and honest with me about her 'activities' oftentimes much to my chagrin.  But I can't shut off the communications because I want her to be able to choose when he decides to have a child - and not an 'after the fact' choice. 

Sorry - got a bit off topic.  

This is an excellent post anyway. I am sure you're really proud of your daughter, thanks for a great response.

I am proud of her.  Thank you very much!

How does one declare a class "war" without any ammunition?

yeah we all know rich people hate kinda rich people, bunch of posers they are.

How does one declare a class "war" without any ammunition?

The same way one runs for Vice President without any basic knowledge of the job or the ability to convey their thoughts in any form but word soup.

Palin was ELECTED three times.  Won an election to become a city council person.  Won an election to become Mayor.  Won an election to become Governor of Alaska.

Caroline Sloshburg ( Kennedy ) hasn't done anything.  Except say " I ya know want ya know to be um ya know A a ya know senator ya know um ".

The election winner is not qualified, but the do nothing is qualified.  It is time for all Americans to attempt to get as much free stuff from the government to bankrupt this country so we can get a new form of government.  That's whats happening now so do not be left out of the boom, like the liberals when the economy was booming under Bush.  That is until Franks, Walters, Dodd, Kerry, and other liberal demoRATs ( from mostly New England ) nuked the economy and blew Trillions of wealth for everybody! Period!

Brian-657672  (partial comment)

The election winner is not qualified, but the do nothing is qualified.  It is time for all Americans to attempt to get as much free stuff from the government to bankrupt this country so we can get a new form of government.  That's whats happening now so do not be left out of the boom, like the liberals when the economy was booming under Bush.  That is until Franks, Walters, Dodd, Kerry, and other liberal demoRATs ( from mostly New England ) nuked the economy and blew Trillions of wealth for everybody! Period!

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Dude, did you just wake up from a drunken stupor ? 

Do you think if you say a LIE it will magically happen ?

"economy was booming under Bush? Do you watch the news or read. Stop watching FOX-TV.

STOP TELLING LIES.                    TRY TO STOP BEING STUPID.

Palin was ELECTED three times.  Won an election to become a city council person.  Won an election to become Mayor.  Won an election to become Governor of Alaska.

And then she came to national attention and the foolishness and empahtically was stopped.

Brian - First off, winning 3 elections hardly means you would have class. Caroline Kennedy has more class in her pinkie finger than Palin will ever have in her life. Caroline has always been a private person and kept her family away from the media spotlight, unlike Palin pimping her kids out for all to see.

Second, let's not start throwing stones in glass houses, McCain would be nowhere if it weren't for his daddy and grandfather's credentials. Bobby Kennedy might not have been a frontrunner for his presidential candidacy if his brother hadn't been a popular president and we all know W. got where he is because of daddy. Nepotism runs wild everywhere in the world. Deal with it. And don't think Palin wouldn't have used connections, if she'd had any.

And lastly, I don't think anyone can debate that she is qualified to be governor of Alaska, I'm sure she knows her own state well and can govern it just fine, albeit, corruptly, which unfortunately happens all the time on both sides of the aisle. But let's speak frankly here: she was never qualified to travel to the lower 48, let alone run for the second highest office in the nation. If McCain wanted a female running mate, I can think of a few Republican women off the top of my head who would have been much better suited for the ticket. She is just a woman with delusions of grandeur who can't construct a simple declarative sentence. Period.

By the way, does anyone remember when Palin first came onto the scene saying that Clinton was a big fat whiner because she said that as a woman she was being treated unfairly and if Hillary wasn't prepared to take the criticism, she shouldn't be in politics? Wow... how quickly she changed her tune when it was her turn up to bat.

Sarah has had her 15 minutes, can we have the next moron-of-the-day please

  Sarah has had her 15 minutes, can we have the next moron-of-the-day pleas

 Sorry, Joe-the-plumber is not available right now as he is currently serving as a war correspondent in Gaza.

Which side is Joe the Plumber on?

libra7288

Which side is Joe the Plumber on?

Joe the newspaper boy is in Mexico looking for Gaza, his latest report is he doesn't see any problems there and the problem in Gaza must be a 'class' warfare cover up by the left wing.

BTW Joe can see Israel from his window. I bet cha. :)

Libra,

You just HAD to bring THAT tool to the table, didn't you? lmao (wink)

Well now he'll ba a wa..wa...war correspondent. I can't even type it without laughing my ass off.

She's got clAss with a capital A

She's got clAss with a capital A

Now you KNOW she's not gonna get that one...rotf

Joe Biden did the dissappearing act because the democraps know his is an idiot, just like his son.  Nepotism is a bad thing.  Palin is a good thing.  Until all thirteen lawsuits against Obamarumpski are resolved she is still on the table to be a leader of America.  PALIN would be a GREAT LEADER FOR AMERICA.  Same with McCain.

Brian-657672

Joe Biden did the dissappearing act because the democraps know his is an idiot, just like his son.  Nepotism is a bad thing.  Palin is a good thing.  Until all thirteen lawsuits against Obamarumpski are resolved she is still on the table to be a leader of America.  PALIN would be a GREAT LEADER FOR AMERICA.  Same with McCain.

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My mistake, I thought I was responding to an actual person, apparently you are so far off the deep end you are beyond any help. 

I suggest you buy some more tinfoil and make a hat. Those subliminal messages from the mother ship have destoyed your brain, oh well, no loss.

Do you know the election is OVER ? And you guys LOST. Its over, get over it. America WON, you lost, geez, talk about not accepting facts.

Obamarumpski?

All the talk about Sarah Palin is not SMART enough to be the President of the United States, have you given it a thought that BIDEN ran for President twice and couldn't get elected to RUN for President?  If, by any chance something did happen to OBAMA, (you don't have to be old you know), then Biden as President  will be then making the decisions that you democrats didn't think he was capable of doing in this last primary.

Funny thing POLITICS.

BB,

Sarah Palin is not smart enough to tie her shoes, or apparently even stop digging.

Biden - probably an adequate caretaker

BB and Brian:

Joe Biden has done more for his constituents in over 30 years than Palin could ever hope to accomplish. The laws that he has written and helped to pass for the protection of women alone should give you pause to respect the man and his service. Shame on you for impugning his abilities when he's chaired the Committee of Foreign Relations, which um, may come in handy right about now, and chaired the Judiciary Committee, just to name a few.

Is he full of gaffes? Yeah, poor guy doesn't have a filter and sticks his foot in it when he's doing interviews, but I don't think ANYONE can say with a straight face that he isn't qualified to be president or vp. Did he lose primaries? Yep, but again, that doesn't mean it's because he can't do the job, it means people liked a different candidate.

If it's a choice between Biden and Palin, I can't even believe that some people would rather have the Alaskan moron with the launch codes at her polished fingertips. Give me Scranton anyday, at least he can name one SCOTUS case he disagrees with other than Roe v. Wade!

Let's distinguish between "stupid," "ignorant" and "lazy." Palin is definitely not stupid. She knows how to make contacts, how to use them politically, how to "play the game." But she is lazy about learning what a leader needs to know, and as a result, she is ignorant. If she's willing to work really hard at it, she may be Presidential candidate material in 8 years, although I'd walk barefoot through fire before voting for her. But she isn't there yet, and the thought of her becoming President in a national crisis was one of the scariest prospects to consider during a very scary fall season.

Sorry trex,

I watched Sarah Palin struggle through interviews where she could have easily learned the correct answer from the context of the question. She reminds me of a high school chearleader trying to flirt her way through a job interview. That woman is none too bright.

Except that it would be bad for America, I would wish her on the GOP with all my heart.

You're right about its being bad for America. George Bush was just as unqualified as she is, and he got elected twice. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. It CAN happen.

It scares me to the core.

Lo

Joe Biden has done more for his constituents in over 30 years than Palin could ever hope to accomplish

I will give Biden credit for being in Politics a lot longer than Palin, but that also makes his gaffes all the more stupid than Palin's  he should know better.  I think that he got a little giddy over being selected to run for VP, and I don't know to this day why Obama selected him, maybe for his knowledge of foreign affairs and Obama has no experience in anything, and a lot that Biden said was stupid  and he should have known better. now where was I, oh yeh, well Palin will be back and well seasoned.

Palin will be back and well seasoned

No matter how you season the rancid moose stew, it still gonna taste like crap.

Right on target NotSanta. I was trying to find an appropriately sharp retort. Yours is better than any of my candidates.

Just a quick question.

 Will she be back before or after she has to answer for using her personnel email account to conduct Government Business?

 You see DOD Law states that Government Business is to be done only using your Government Secure Email account and also becomes Public record at a later date. She did this knowing she was breaking the Law and if any of the information she sent over her personnel account turns out to be Classified she could be charged with...TREASON.

BB, Biden's gaffes are of a different type altogether than Palin's. They're gaffes in the sense of "when a politician inadvertently tells the truth." Biden blurts out what he thinks, often very undiplomatically and at inappropriate times. Is Obama likely to be tested by a major crisis early on? Of course. Every President is. McCain would have been, too. Was it smart of Biden to say so? Obviously not, because it gave right wing word-twisters like Coulter and Limbaugh the opportunity to claim he'd said that Obama, specifically, rather than anyone else in his position, would be vulnerable to this sort of "test."

Palin, on the other hand, just tosses word salad at interviewers, hoping that they'll fail to notice that she isn't answering the question she was asked, and/or doesn't know what she's talking about.

Chello

 I must say I'm sorry to you at this point. It seems every time I ask the question in #4.16 the Palin supports disappear faster than roaches when the lights come on. I'm starting to wonder if they all received personnel emails telling them if the subject comes up to run and hide. So far I have never gotten an answer from any of them. Any way I will keep trying to get them to answer even if it takes until 2012 or maybe 2016. After all she is there Sun Goddess and them must find a way to keep her out of jail between now and then.

Tony Williams

I would just leave that up to her State Law Enforcers if I were you.  I haven't heard a thing about her being arrested or whatever it is you want to hear.

But what I am interested in is if the Kid that hacked her E-mail account is being punished for what he did?  That is just one step to what he plans to do with the rest of his life, become a professional hacker....or worse...

PS Tony Williams

I, however, do not put her up on any pedestal, (Sun Goddess for real now?)  Actually it is totally the opposite.  I feel that she is one that walk on the EARTH around me, not an Adored figure, nor Messiah, Or The ONE.....She is definitely human....That is why I appreciate her, not worship her.

I agree the kid should be punished but what I want to know is why every thinks she shouldn't be punished when she knowingly and willing broke the Law?

 I'm a Vet and if I had done what she had and got caught I would be typing this from a not too comfortable cell in Kansas. So again why should she not be held accountable for her actions?

Here it is the 14 of Jan 2009 and I still have yet to see an answer to my question.

 If anyone in the Military used there private email to transmit classified or Military paperwork they would be brought up on charges and at the least be given a Dishonorable Discharge. With that said why is Palin not being charged when she clearly broke the Law by using her Private email instead of her Government Approved email to conduct Government Business?

TW, IDK.

It is disturbing to say the least. I was one that didn't like it, and worried that she would do the turn her VP and top secret communications and letters over to her hubby, (like she did with the Alaskan governors papers & emails) if she and McCain were elected.

I have heard there are other issues that are to be looked at as well up there in Alaska. There are hearings soon. The legislature up there meets only 90 days a year and they are due to start the next session in a few days.

I guess until then though SP is looking for a new Legislative Liaison. This one just quit about a week ago. SP has gone through 4 LL's in 2 years. Does it show good interpersonal skills on the gov's part??? Who knows. But most people these days do NOT quit their jobs......

But it seems that those pesky liberal media folks just can't seem to get the information out there for some reason.

what points?

I guess we, the everyday citizens, are part of that 'liberal media'... and we just can't stop pickin' on good old Sarah.

Here's a thought: I'll make no comments about Palin on the days that she isn't appearing on some media outlet -- TV, radio, website, newspaper, magazine, etc.  If she stops talking, I'll stop commenting about her.

Deal?

Tim:

huh?? What in the world does your post mean? You are as sharp as Whiney Palin.

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 The class warefare points. Heck 2/3rds of the posters on the vine think anyone from the south is a racist or a stupid redneck.  

 Check out TL's post  he has trouble with sarcasm. Its not my fault  you hate people  that you dont agree with dont be so Whiney.

 The class warefare points. Heck 2/3rds of the posters on the vine think anyone from the south is a racist or a stupid redneck.

I'm from the South, and I deal with racists and rednecks on a daily basis, and I still think the Palins are the biggest joke in America. I've seen racist rednecks with more class, intelligence, and ethics than Sarah Palin.

vigor-I live in the south too.  I have to agree with you.

The class warefare points. Heck 2/3rds of the posters on the vine think anyone from the south is a racist or a stupid redneck.

You keep saying class warfare. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Well said... a la "Princess Bride." ;-)

If Sarah Palin is goning to become the defender of all the "average Joes" in America, we are in real trouble.

Then I guess we get to hammer obama everyday for now.  I will enjoy pointing out how stupid his cabinet appointments are because obummer is a stupid idiot.  Totally unqualified to lead.  No leadershiop skills at all.  He needs our help, well you can kiss my A%%.  The demoRats blew trillions on $dollars in wealth to get the appointed one elected, and I will not forgive them of those facts.

Tim-694587

 Should is say it in cherokee to you white bear? Its not my fault your low intelligence leads to your class warefare statements that and you sound like a typical racist.

 Your proof she's darn near right. Anyone that doesnt agree is a redneck. etc etc

I would love to respond to your comment, but because of your lack of ability to use the English language, I have NO idea what you are saying.

Go back to school, get your money back I think you got cheated.

Should is say it in cherokee to you white bear? Its not my fault your low intelligence leads to your class warefare statements that and you sound like a typical racist.

Tim, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start using the spell check feature, it's the little button with the "ABC" over the check mark. It's warfare not warefare and Should is say just makes you sound illiterate and completely invalidates your entire comment, as does the reference to white bear being native american. So who exactly is the racist? And by the way, class warfare and racism are completely unrelated, so maybe you should google both terms.

enigma...

it's shameful that was once the land of opportunity is now the land of what's-your-daddy's-name.

As in, "Poppy" Bush?  Yeah, that's a shame.

Apparently she uses the "what's your daddy's (or momma's) name" effectively in her little reality in Alaska.

As in, "Poppy" Bush?

He already urinated all over our country, now he's going to pee on my couch?

Palin's dead on the mark about the royalty in this country; it's shameful that was once the land of opportunity is now the land of what's-your-daddy's-name.

Yeah. All those Obamas opening the door for a half-Kenyan, half-white kid raised by a single mom and his grandmother to assume the Presidency.

M. WHITE BEAR:

You should probably take a course in context and reading comprehension because in no way was Eric attempting to say that there is anything *bad* about Obama, based on what you quoted.

In fact, he was saying that Obama made it to where he is on his own, without needing a family legacy.

M. WHITE BEAR

Brian's right. Eric is engaging in satire. Or maybe irony.

Brian Ford

M. WHITE BEAR:

You should probably take a course in context and reading comprehension because in no way was Eric attempting to say that there is anything *bad* about Obama, based on what you quoted.

In fact, he was saying that Obama made it to where he is on his own, without needing a family legacy.

magz

M. WHITE BEAR

Brian's right. Eric is engaging in satire. Or maybe irony.

SORRY, you are correct. I am wrong. Sadly after seeing so many racist comments on these blogs, I misread the context. I will try to have comment removed.

You can't. Only the author can do that. Post a polite request to delete it.

magz

You can't. Only the author can do that. Post a polite request to delete it.

Already did that, he is not online.

SORRY, you are correct. I am wrong. Sadly after seeing so many racist comments on these blogs, I misread the context. I will try to have comment removed.

Well that's refreshing. I see so many people who, if corrected, just keep on getting more and more defensive until the thread turns into (even more of) a serious of meaningless insults. You may have just reinstated my faith in the reading comprehension on these boards. Kudos.

reeeeeen

SORRY, you are correct. I am wrong. Sadly after seeing so many racist comments on these blogs, I misread the context. I will try to have comment removed.

Well that's refreshing. I see so many people who, if corrected, just keep on getting more and more defensive until the thread turns into (even more of) a serious of meaningless insults. You may have just reinstated my faith in the reading comprehension on these boards. Kudos.

Thank you, I am never afraid to admit a mistake. Some people have honor.

Palin's dead on the mark about the royalty in this country; it's shameful that was once the land of opportunity is now the land of what's-your-daddy's-name.

If you are referring to Caroline....

I think there is a payment for that fame... talk about media attracts... look at her life and her families.

And no I do not believe Caroline Kennedy is qualified to be senator of my state NY. BUT, she is hand over fist more intelligent then Sarah. "You know" is a tick, many people have in there speech. It is something you have to work at to undo if you have it ingrained in your speech pattern.

Sarah on the other hand does not know something and does this verbal olympic BS job to dance around the subject. And looks stupid doing so.

My issue with Caroline, not becoming senator, is because she would be starting out as  a Senator. She needs to work her way up. There are other politicians in New York who are qualified and have more than down state interests.

Palin may not come from a famous family, but she knows all about how to curry favor with famous people in order to put her name on the map for consideration as a V.P. candidate. There was a fascinating New Yorker article about how she invited conservative celebrities like Bill Kristol to luncheons at the governor's mansion, and charm-blitzed them. She has this in common with Caroline Kennedy: she thinks that God gave us strings so that we could pull them.

didn't she name one of her children "twig"?   : )

I hope her next stunt isn't going to a rabbit farm for easter.

ROFL. wouldn't that be a horrific interview.  (Went to a scary visual place)

I wouldn't put it past her to try to keep her face on my tv. (I am trying not to take it personally.)  she is like the energizer bunny except vindictive, petty and PATHETIC.

Oh no, do you think they'll slaughter the energizer bunny behind her during an interview at Easter?

Oh no, do you think they'll slaughter the energizer bunny behind her during an interview at Easter?

LOL =}

Leave the head of the bunny at the foot of her bed=}~~~~~~~~~~~~~

longest, funniest, creepiest and snottiest.

Palin dares Couric to give Caroline a really tough interview.

I bet one moose burger that Caroline can name a newspaper or two that she has read in the last week.

I don't thing that Ms. Couric is capable of giving a tough interview.

I don't thing that Ms. Couric is capable of giving a tough interview.

Then how did she crush Palin so badly? Are you saying that Palin can't even conduct an easy interview? I would agree with that

To be honest, I don't think the media has gone after Sarah at all.

They were all soft on her...hoping she would come back.

She ran for the 2nd highest office in the country. She is trying to run for the highest.

She should be able to explain herself. If she can not, she is incapable of going up against Putin or any other world leader.

There are many questions I would like to ask her. Just put me in a room with her.

She will wish she was Katie again.

Look at the way GW Bush has gotten away with softball interviews and the mess he has left this country.

We should demand....NEVER AGAIN!!!!

DragonWoman

To be honest, I don't think the media has gone after Sarah at all.

Where in the HE— — have you been?  Under the bridge?  NO CABLE, NO ABC, NO PBS, NO CNN, NO MSNBC, NO Newspapers, Don't get on the NewVine much.....HUH?  GEEZ!!!

I don't think the media has "gone after" her either!  They didn't ignore her and reported what she said and what she did.  Their accuracy didn't help her much but she is who she is!

Agreed guys... on what planet would any other candidate get away with not talking to the media for weeks and weeks? No one complained and then when she did give interviews, they were easy crap like "What do you think of the Bush Doctrine?" or "What newspapers do you read?" or "What instances has your running mate been in favor of more regulation in the senate?"... um, if you're running for vp, these is not exactly rocket science questions, this is stuff she should know.

I remember Obama doing the interview with Bill O. and Bill really tried to nail Obama to the wall! Now that was a tough interview! I'm sorry but if the public doesn't know who you are and you enter stage right with a few months to go, this is what's going to happen, and I think the media was pretty easy on her, considering. As for them painting her in a bad light, well... camera, point, shoot. Asked questions, gave stupid answers, camera recorded them, aired on tv... yeah, what a-holes to actually air her retarded non-sensical answers, how dare they?!?

Thank you for the humor.  You made my morning.  running scared,  LOL!

Oh PLEASE let the GOP be dumb enough to run Pallid Sarah.  The resulting disaster would give them a chance to rebuild their party.

Iceman, after the next 4 years, anybody the GOP runs will have a good chance.  If Obama goes on his spending spree, like he promises, people will be mad.

That would be the same spending spree that Bush and friends started to try to avoid a depression ??

If I were you, I would wish the spending plans every success...although I would like to see the money spent on durable infrastructure (which is getting kinda worn out).

Hoover was a great believer in fiscal restraint.  The economy took 10 years to recover from his mismanagement and without WWII is is not clear we would have recovered.

You are correct about Bush, and you see who got elected, a Democrat, if Obama follows in Bush's foot steps, he will be a 1-term president. 

Ryan,

As bad as I think Bush was, the attempt to keep the economy moving ahould be a fairly high priority of both parties.  

The economy is MUCH more fragile than it was in 1929-1932.  A MUCH smaller proportion of the population lives or works on farms, industrial enterprises and credit organizations are MUCH more tightly coupled.

Between 1929 and 1933, the industrial output of the US dropped by 40+%, by 1932 unemployment hit 24% and was still 19% in 1939.

You want to find out what the depression was like, be sure to call your congressman and demand fiscal restraint and that we defeat stimulus plans.

Your populist appeal combined with support for traditional American values has them all running scared.

Does it? I can say with all honesty that until I read this, I hadn't thought about her. I don't see the GOP talking much about her. I don't even see the *press* talking all that much about her, given the fever-pitch she created while she was a VP candidate.

Palin realizes that her only hope at this point is to stay somehow relevant, and to do that, she must say something. The trouble is, she needs to say something that doesn't have to do with the the election, or dwelling on that, because it won't ever put her into the position of being a winner if she keeps talking about her coming-out party -- which she lost.

But, yes. I was scared. I was scared to death that America would make a huge mistake and put someone with such horrible views and such a polarizing attitude in such an important role.

Thank God that didn't happen, and it wasn't even close.

And, ultimately, it says a lot that she tried to pretend to enjoy Fey's impersonation. If she didn't like it, she should have said so. Doesn't change the fact that it's going to go down in history.

I firmly believe that Tina Fey helped many Americans see Palin for what she actually is, and that she became, for many, an embarrassment.  

I say, let's go ahead and give Fey the seat Kennedy is going after.

Fey for senate!!  Great idea.

I say, let's go ahead and give Fey the seat Kennedy is going after.

Seconded.

Third, I would love to see Fey in office. >wink<

please don't wink, it creeps me out. LOL

Your populist appeal combined with support for traditional American values has them all running scared.

Too true. All the Democrats have run for cover in DC and are soon to be in hiding for the next four years in the White House and Congress. Lisaed have you missed all the news since Nov. 4th?

 Lisaed have you missed all the news since Nov. 4th?

She has missed more than that.

She fell for the wink and a smile. Take the rose colored glasses of, honey;}

Sarah Palin - you go girl! Your populist appeal combined with support for traditional American values has them all running scared.

Hahahaha, that is soooo cute! Appeal? Is that what that stench was? In all honesty, I truly hope that they run her in 2012, it means Obama barely has to campaign! Imagine all the money, energy and time he'll save. Yeah, he'll be running Lisa... right back into the White House.

It was on Fox.

coming soon on video!  you can buy your copy of the right wing propaganda "documentary" on the internet some time in the near future. (at least that is what I hear, though i can't imagine paying for a copy.)

When the conservative values expressed are those from the Palin campaign crowds, YES, I am proudly intolerant.  The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent.

Here... let me help:

Sarah Palin is right about the media's hypocrisy. If the same had been said by a democratic candidate for the office, she would have been treated much differently. Even Gloria Steinem, the champion of women’s rights, attacked her simply because she is a conservative. The National Organization for Women was silent about the media's treatment of Sarah Palin. Had she been a liberal, NOW would have spewed venom all over the 'Sexist’ media.

I am still not convinced, maybe you need to post it again.  : )   I don't think her treatment was because of her sex or party.  IMHO, it was caused by her ignorance of issues, history etc etc. 

david 38

If she same had been a democratic candidate...

 If a chicken had lips...if a fish had fur...if a pig had wings...  If Palin had been a Democrat, she still wouldn't have been tapped for VP...she'd have been vetted for longer than 15 minutes & dropped like the no-talent, no-class, no-brain she is.

Had she been a liberal, NOW would have spewed venom all over the 'Sexist’ media.

I don't think so.

Palin did her self in, you betcha.

wink, wink

Re the hypothetical question "if Palin had been a Democrat . . . " I think the cartoonist Keith Knight answered that question pretty well.

http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2008/09/17/knig/

The following week, he answered the question "if Palin were a BLACK Democrat . . . "

http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2008/09/24/knig/

Trex, that is the most BRILLIANT response on this thread so far and it made my whole day! Expect my friend request momentarily and I tip my hat to you, madam! :)

Blush! Thanks -- but the kudos goes to Keef, one of my favorite cartoonists, although his humor does get a bit raunchy now and then. You can catch his strip on Wednesdays at Salon.

What are you worried about? I say let the GOP stick with SP... that way we know the office will be safe in 2012.

Dear Tim:

Apparently, you can't stick to topic or respond directly to someone's post. This makes it impossible to include you in the "conversation" except to point out to you that you make no sense in context to the topic. Try harder or cease and desist.

tman:

I say let the party fall apart.... that is what is happening. A segment of the country is in love with the "victim" Sarah, while the other part of the party sees how bad she is and is pushing in another direction.

The Democratic party floundered for a while. I understand there was a look of fear on Hillary's face during the speech Obama gave at the 2004 convention.

I am an idependant for a reason. I am sick of the same crap year after year. Obama persevered through not only the Republican crap, but 1st through the "victimization" crap Hillary dished out.

I am hoping the result of established political parties falling apart, is the beginning of politicians who will work for the good of the country and not the same damn talking points.

Can we do away with:

• Religion interfering in political and legal decisions
• Power Lobbies
• Scandals
• Corruption
• Nepotism

that explains it.  it is in the water. 

I don't think there is as much 'belief' in her anymore. The polls have continued to go down since she returned home.

And, just the other day 2 of her team/governor type aides quit their jobs.

One was the 4th Legislative Liaison that she has had in just 2 years. They were also people who had been 'subpoenaed' for those ethics hearings but didn't show up for testimony. The Alaskan legislature is due to meet in a couple of weeks.

So, something is happening up there, and the rats are leaving the ship......

The media doesn't have to stab Palin in the back, all they have to do is report what she says and the stupidity just shines through.  

I developed my opinion of Palin after watching her interviews and the debate.  No class warfare here.  She was uninformed and inarticulate.  Good with talking points and talking in circles. 

trm2008,

I agree, part of the problem is simply that Palin is none to bright.  The uninformed and inarticulate parts are just symptoms, DUMB is the underlying disease.

iceman6-I was trying really hard not to offend posters that think she is intelligent, amazing, etc etc (nauseau coming on).  But I have to agree with your dumb, and raise you an immature and  a manipulative.  LOL

iceman-between you and me, i think we are being too charitable.

trm 2008,

Yep, I'm all in.  

At the risk of blowing the game, it occurs to me that girlygirl is a democratic operative trying to be sure that Palin IS the GOP candidate in 2012.  Except that it is bad for the country, it could be good fun to watch.  

I could play that game too, I'll have to find another Palin thread and take the other side for once and see just how that feels...besides, the vindictive side of me thinks "Oh PLEASE run Palin"

Just for the record, Sarah Palin is a very accomplished, remarkable, amazing, smart, intellegent woman who has all the experience and knowledge necessary to make an excellent VP or President in 2012.

Just for the record, this is the best Palin joke I have heard yet!

girlygirl,

Did you listen to the audiences that Palin attracted?  They were SCARY !!

I am getting more and more sure that you are a dem operative trying to keep Palin at the front of the GOP stove.  If that is the case, it is gonna take 4 years of effort, more power to ya, you go girl.

i think a lot of people tuned in to the debate to see if she would make a TOTAL fool out of herself.  (i fall into that category)  I was a little disappointed, she only looked somewhat foolish.  She is pretty good at talking points as long as the right questions are asked.

But I have to agree with your dumb, and raise you an immature and  a manipulative

I think I'll go double on "hate-mongering."

I will admit I too fell into that category...

I was quickly disappointed in the debate when Sarah turned around and there was a PULL STRING in the middle of her back.

 Blah, BLah, BLah..Stare *WINK*Blah**STARE*SMILE**KEEP SMILING**WINK

I don't have any "hate-mongering', can i substitute a "narcissistic"?

I don't have any "hate-mongering', can i substitute a "narcissistic"?

Just wash your hands afterward.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of the Palin/Biden debate, however, Pallin did an exceptional job of handling herself

As in: she didn't trip on her way to the stage; she didn't answer any questions; she stated she wasn't going to debate at a debate; and made it to the end without shooting any animals?

The only reason she gets any credit at all is because expectations were so astoundingly low for her.

That pretty much sums it up, VigorMortis.

girlygirl,

Everyone tuned into the VP debate because they knew it would be entertaining watching Biden rip her to shreds...

She is the biggest joke ever...I still can't believe that she was even considered...

Give Palin credit, she does know how to handle herself on TV, and she should -- she used to be a professional sportscaster. In order to do that well, you have to know how to look right into the camera, smile, and deliver your lines with conviction, even if you're reading them off a teleprompter and don't have a clue what they mean. Or, in Palin's case, if you're trying to b.s. your way out of a question you can't answer, or don't want to answer, and pretend that you know what you're talking about. She does know how to do that well. But it wouldn't get her very far in a summit meeting with Putin.

If you will recall, more people tuned in to view the VP debate than the presidential debate.  That just goes to show what a following Sarah Palin has.

Humans can't resist watching a trainwreck.

If you will recall, more people tuned in to view the VP debate than the presidential debate.  That just goes to show what a following Sarah Palin has.

Not at all.  A lot of us watched just to see how badly she'd do.  And she did do poorly, it was blatantly obvious that she was reciting memorised talking points.  She flat out SAID she wasn't going to "debate" while she was there.  And, sadly, there weren't nearly enough follow-up questions to let her REALLY muck things up.

Humans can't resist watching a trainwreck.

Aaahahahahahahaha! That was going to be my post, damnit! Classic! I swear, I only watched for that very reason. And the animalistic instinct to watch survival of the fittest when Joe Biden ate her alive. I think he showed incredible restraint so as not to be called sexist and picking on poor little Sarah.

Girlygirl, you need to quit drinking the kool-aid. In what parallel universe is Sarah accomplished, remarkable, smart or intelligent? By the way, smart and intelligent mean exactly the same thing, so I guess that answers my sneaking suspicion about why you think she's so gosh darn swell.

I'd like to know specifically WHAT she's accomplished, besides getting elected mayor (and promptly putting Wasilla so deep into debt that they had to hire a manager), getting elected Governor, and then using the job mainly to work out personal vendettas with her ex-brother in law and to schmooze Republican big shots so as to get her name into contention for the VP slot. Has she achieved anything substantive with her elective positions after getting into office, or has it all and only been about winning each election and then climbing to the next rung?

No, trex, they didn't have to hire a manager in Wasilla because they were in debt.  Palin hired the manager to handle the day-to-day running of the town, either because she couldn't handle it, or couldn't be be bothered.

Palin limited her duties further by hiring a deputy administrator to handle much of the town's day-to-day management. Her top achievement as mayor was the construction of an ice rink, a project that landed in the courts and cost the city more than expected.

Arriving in office, Palin herself played down the demands of the job in response to residents who worried that her move to oust veteran officials would leave the town in the lurch. "It's not rocket science," Palin said, according to the town newspaper, the Frontiersman. "It's $6 million and 53 employees."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/13/AR2008091302596_pf.html

Some other interesting details in that article.

Parody - there was a recent bit of parody concerning Mr. Obama, which caused quite a stir and uproar.... I believe it was a song whose title was derived from a L.A. Times article?  It doesn't appear to be only Palin; many a person seem to misunderstand parody.

Why, pray-tell, did she go on SNL then?

"I know that a lot of people are capitalizing on, oh, I don't know, perhaps some exploiting that was done via me, my family, my administration - that's a little bit perplexing, but it also says a great deal about our society."

That cracks me up! Allow me to translate what she actually said (v. maybe what she meant):

I know that a lot of people are capitalizing on, oh, I don't know, perhaps some exploiting that was done via (definition: "through") me, my family, my administration - that's a little bit perplexing, but it also says a great deal about our society.

Yes, apparently, the Palin's and her administration have exploited her position significantly.

@ 23.1

If you're referring to "Barack the Magic Negro" or whatever that song is called...let me explain something. There's a difference between making fun of someone's obvious lack of intelligence and someone's race. Similarly, I would not condone a song called "Palin the Stupid Whitey." If there was a song attacking Obama's lack of executive experience, I'd be all for it.

Honesty Filter ON:

"I know that a lot of people are talking about, oh, I don't know, perhaps some exploiting that was done by me, my family, my administration - that's a little bit perplexing, but it also says a great deal about our society."

Me, I'm waiting to hear what happens next.  I hear that there's already been one person to announce they're running for governor of Alaska in 2010.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136411

He was less than complimentary about the job Palin has (or hasn't) been doing:

"Sarah Palin bragged to the nation she took on Big Oil," Poe said. "This is like publicly telling off your biggest customer. While it may feel good, it doesn't do your business any favors in the long run."

New investment, he said, depends on the perception of the business climate in Alaska.

Despite Palin's pronouncements on progress for a proposed multibillion dollar natural gas pipeline, he said, Palin has been "gaming" the process. Her administration turned a business negotiation into a bureaucratic request for proposals.

A real leader, he said, would bring together current and future natural gas producers, pipeline operators, right-of-way owners, affected communities, state and federal regulators, financial markets and Canadian representatives for negotiations in a businesslike manner, not a political manner.

"Alaska is no further along with the gas pipeline that we were even three years ago," he said. "We will not succeed if we continue this administration's policy of divide and conquer."